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		<title>By: dajjal</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, Sean Hannity was blathering on about &quot;Radical Islam&quot;, saying that Obama was right about not being at war with Islam, and shifting it to &quot;Radical Islam&quot;.  Sean Hannity was spewing feces!

No such entity exists. Islam is Islam, defined by Moe in the Qur&#039;an and exemplified by Moe in Islam&#039;s oral tradition, the hadith. Those two documents are the primary sources of Islamic law. 

God bless you all, observe what Islamic law says and learn. I quote from Umdat as-Salik, which is available as a scanned image at scribid.com. There is a search engine in the frame around the image, use it wisely. The law of Jihad is in Book O, chapter 9 from which I quote. 
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2288801/Reliance-of-the-Traveller-alMisri-Muslim-Fiqh


O9.8: The Objectives of Jihad

The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,

&quot;Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled&quot; (Koran 9.29), 

the time and place for which is before the final descent of Jesus (upon whom be peace).  After his final coming, nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus&#039; descent (upon him and our Prophet be peace), which is the divinely revealed law of Muhammad. The coming of Jesus does not entail a separate divinely revealed law, for he will rule by the law of Muhammad. As for the Prophet&#039;s saying (Allah bless him and give him peace), 

&quot;I am the last, there will be no prophet after me,&quot;

this does not contradict the final coming of Jesus (upon whom be peace), since he will not rule according to the Evangel, but as a follower of our Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) ). 

@O9.9 

The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim (O: because they are not a people with a Book, nor honored as such, and are not permitted to settle with paying the poll tax (jizya) ) (n: though according to the Hanafi school, peoples of all other religions, even idol worshippers, are permitted to live under the protection of the Islamic state if they either become Muslim or agree to pay the poll tax, the sole exceptions to which are apostates from Islam and idol worshippers who are Arabs, neither of whom has any choice but becoming Muslim (al-Hidaya sharh Bidaya al-mubtadi&#039; (y21), 6.48-49) ). 

Got a clue yet? What does the Caliph do; to whom and why?  For the first answer, if the quotes above did not give you a clue, see: Jihad.chm [45KB] A 6 part series from Freedom Ain&#039;t Free.  http://www.box.net/shared/kpg3rjaqof

For the last answer, read O9.1, from which I quote the vital part.

In the time of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) jihad was a communal obligation after his emigration (hijra) to Medina. As for subsequent times, there are two possible states in respect to non-Muslims.

The first is when they are in their own countries, in which case jihad (def: o9.8) is a communal obligation, and this is what our author is speaking of when he says, &quot;Jihad is a communal obligation,&quot; meaning upon the Muslims each year.

Wake up! Wise up!! Rise up!!! Disrespectfully demand a complete and permanent end to the spew of lies and treason from our elected leaders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, Sean Hannity was blathering on about &#8220;Radical Islam&#8221;, saying that Obama was right about not being at war with Islam, and shifting it to &#8220;Radical Islam&#8221;.  Sean Hannity was spewing feces!</p>
<p>No such entity exists. Islam is Islam, defined by Moe in the Qur&#8217;an and exemplified by Moe in Islam&#8217;s oral tradition, the hadith. Those two documents are the primary sources of Islamic law. </p>
<p>God bless you all, observe what Islamic law says and learn. I quote from Umdat as-Salik, which is available as a scanned image at scribid.com. There is a search engine in the frame around the image, use it wisely. The law of Jihad is in Book O, chapter 9 from which I quote.<br />
<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/2288801/Reliance-of-the-Traveller-alMisri-Muslim-Fiqh" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/2288801/Reliance-of-the-Traveller-alMisri-Muslim-Fiqh</a></p>
<p>O9.8: The Objectives of Jihad</p>
<p>The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,</p>
<p>&#8220;Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled&#8221; (Koran 9.29), </p>
<p>the time and place for which is before the final descent of Jesus (upon whom be peace).  After his final coming, nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus&#8217; descent (upon him and our Prophet be peace), which is the divinely revealed law of Muhammad. The coming of Jesus does not entail a separate divinely revealed law, for he will rule by the law of Muhammad. As for the Prophet&#8217;s saying (Allah bless him and give him peace), </p>
<p>&#8220;I am the last, there will be no prophet after me,&#8221;</p>
<p>this does not contradict the final coming of Jesus (upon whom be peace), since he will not rule according to the Evangel, but as a follower of our Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) ). </p>
<p>@O9.9 </p>
<p>The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim (O: because they are not a people with a Book, nor honored as such, and are not permitted to settle with paying the poll tax (jizya) ) (n: though according to the Hanafi school, peoples of all other religions, even idol worshippers, are permitted to live under the protection of the Islamic state if they either become Muslim or agree to pay the poll tax, the sole exceptions to which are apostates from Islam and idol worshippers who are Arabs, neither of whom has any choice but becoming Muslim (al-Hidaya sharh Bidaya al-mubtadi&#8217; (y21), 6.48-49) ). </p>
<p>Got a clue yet? What does the Caliph do; to whom and why?  For the first answer, if the quotes above did not give you a clue, see: Jihad.chm [45KB] A 6 part series from Freedom Ain&#8217;t Free.  <a href="http://www.box.net/shared/kpg3rjaqof" rel="nofollow">http://www.box.net/shared/kpg3rjaqof</a></p>
<p>For the last answer, read O9.1, from which I quote the vital part.</p>
<p>In the time of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) jihad was a communal obligation after his emigration (hijra) to Medina. As for subsequent times, there are two possible states in respect to non-Muslims.</p>
<p>The first is when they are in their own countries, in which case jihad (def: o9.8) is a communal obligation, and this is what our author is speaking of when he says, &#8220;Jihad is a communal obligation,&#8221; meaning upon the Muslims each year.</p>
<p>Wake up! Wise up!! Rise up!!! Disrespectfully demand a complete and permanent end to the spew of lies and treason from our elected leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Freedom Thinker</title>
		<link>http://thefreedomthinker.com/2009/04/08/liars-and-lunatics/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Freedom Thinker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You say your not bitter but I&#039;m &quot;fear mongering, hatred, and sicking propaganda&quot;.  Interesting perspective there.  Be careful how you judge how I&#039;m spending my time in a 2 minute post or a 30 second response.  

The freedom from fear and hatred is choosing to look where and at what you wish.  While I ask where is the freedom to hate? Isn&#039;t hatered an emotion? Doesn&#039;t the word &quot;hate crime&quot; sicken one to the core? It should if you have an ounce of intelligence. After all shouldn&#039;t I be allowed to hate? (Although you fail to point out what I hate and I actually hate very little) Where is the freedom to point out what one is afraid of.  Fear often prepares the mind and body for action.  It is the soldier that runs into combat without fear that will be the first casuality and will not be there for his brothers.  Fear and hatred are important parts of life.  Fear and hatred are often parts of the pages of history.  The Jews lack of fear of Hilter kept them from making moves to escape his clutches in many a case.  A lack of righteous hatred and the atrocities commited over the centuries have informed the footnote of history where &quot;all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing&quot;.  

I am not a freedom thinker I am &quot;The Freedom Thinker&quot;.  And I am free to tell the truth? What in my post was propaganda?   You are the one that &quot;claims&quot; I&#039;m not spending my time wisely but fail to back it up with any proof of this claim this is actually propaganda.  I&#039;m simply pointing out the liars and lunatics in this world that threaten our freedom with their blatently lies and lunacy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say your not bitter but I&#8217;m &#8220;fear mongering, hatred, and sicking propaganda&#8221;.  Interesting perspective there.  Be careful how you judge how I&#8217;m spending my time in a 2 minute post or a 30 second response.  </p>
<p>The freedom from fear and hatred is choosing to look where and at what you wish.  While I ask where is the freedom to hate? Isn&#8217;t hatered an emotion? Doesn&#8217;t the word &#8220;hate crime&#8221; sicken one to the core? It should if you have an ounce of intelligence. After all shouldn&#8217;t I be allowed to hate? (Although you fail to point out what I hate and I actually hate very little) Where is the freedom to point out what one is afraid of.  Fear often prepares the mind and body for action.  It is the soldier that runs into combat without fear that will be the first casuality and will not be there for his brothers.  Fear and hatred are important parts of life.  Fear and hatred are often parts of the pages of history.  The Jews lack of fear of Hilter kept them from making moves to escape his clutches in many a case.  A lack of righteous hatred and the atrocities commited over the centuries have informed the footnote of history where &#8220;all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I am not a freedom thinker I am &#8220;The Freedom Thinker&#8221;.  And I am free to tell the truth? What in my post was propaganda?   You are the one that &#8220;claims&#8221; I&#8217;m not spending my time wisely but fail to back it up with any proof of this claim this is actually propaganda.  I&#8217;m simply pointing out the liars and lunatics in this world that threaten our freedom with their blatently lies and lunacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
		<link>http://thefreedomthinker.com/2009/04/08/liars-and-lunatics/#comment-13</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hehehe. I like how you said that in the end. I do time management myself. But how I spend my time? well, I don&#039;t become bitter. From what I see here, you are not spending your time wisely. Where is the freedom from fear mongering and hatred? What purpose does it serve on something that will never be written in the pages of history? Time changes and so is position of political views. At first, I was bitter, sarcastic, conservative. But now, I cast that away, and would rather stay centric (still don&#039;t like liberals, but don&#039;t like Conservatives either). I spend my time on literature and art, not fear mongering and paranoia.

You said you are a freedom thinker, yet how free are you from a sicking propaganda such as this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehehe. I like how you said that in the end. I do time management myself. But how I spend my time? well, I don&#8217;t become bitter. From what I see here, you are not spending your time wisely. Where is the freedom from fear mongering and hatred? What purpose does it serve on something that will never be written in the pages of history? Time changes and so is position of political views. At first, I was bitter, sarcastic, conservative. But now, I cast that away, and would rather stay centric (still don&#8217;t like liberals, but don&#8217;t like Conservatives either). I spend my time on literature and art, not fear mongering and paranoia.</p>
<p>You said you are a freedom thinker, yet how free are you from a sicking propaganda such as this?</p>
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		<title>By: Freedom Thinker</title>
		<link>http://thefreedomthinker.com/2009/04/08/liars-and-lunatics/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Freedom Thinker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for stopping by my site.  I know, between being a husband, father to four, helping run a multimillion dollar health organization, and more, where do I find the time? Right! I realized several years ago that time managment was not outside my life but actually is life because life is made up of time and that is all.  In order to be truly free one must manage their time in detail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by my site.  I know, between being a husband, father to four, helping run a multimillion dollar health organization, and more, where do I find the time? Right! I realized several years ago that time managment was not outside my life but actually is life because life is made up of time and that is all.  In order to be truly free one must manage their time in detail.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
		<link>http://thefreedomthinker.com/2009/04/08/liars-and-lunatics/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Samuel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have too much time in your hands...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have too much time in your hands&#8230;</p>
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