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Did President Obama’s Middle East Speech Help? « The Freedom Thinker — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:13:13 +0000

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President Obama Prostitutes Himself to Islam « The Freedom Thinker — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:41:08 +0000

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By: Freedom Thinker

Freedom Thinker — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:12:58 +0000

I agree with TP that the loss in the war is not a forgone conclusion. Although President Obama’s speech did some damage. I do agree that a change in a the broad ideology of Jihad is the a long-range goal and this will only be done through an evolution of Islam’s nature I wouldn’t phrase things the way you phrased them. It should not be a war against Islam as a whole or a war against Allah. Regardless of our perspective on his nature. It should be a war against terrorism and Jihadist Islam… Regardless of what Obama did or DIDN’T say in his speech yesterday.

As for your main point regarding the changability of Islam. I recognize I could be wrong but I hope that I’m not. Both Surah 5:64 and Surah 13:42 seem to leave a window open for Allah bestowing as he will, and that he can do both good and evil as he is the “master of all scheming”. Also, do Surah 2:106 and 16:101 not provide for abrogation of texts in the Qu’ran?

“None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?” Surah 2: 106

“When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, “Thou art but a forger”: but most of them understand not.” Surah 16:101

To me this sounds like the key’s to the evolution of Islam. Do I read them out of context? Please explain.

By: TennesseePaul

TennesseePaul — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:59:37 +0000

“Second, we are losing, not winning in Afghanistan & Iraq. So long as they remain Muslim, we have been defeated and can not win.”

This is not a forgone conclussion, the winning or losing in the wars.
First, the conversion of the populus from Islam was never the intent of the war. It was to remove hostile threats and regimes.
Second, the fact that Iraqi’s rejected violent jihad in the recent years, allowing for a draw down in troops, is in itself a victory in the war of ideologies.
Third, the new environment in Iraq and Afghanistan is more permiable to alternative worldviews, though admittedly not as open as other nations, it is an improvement from the initial setting. Declaring no immediate rejection of Islam does not suffice. To alter the mind set of an entire populus requires considerable time.