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Medicare – the Elephant in the Room

August 22, 2009
by The Freedom Thinker

I called for the end of Medicare/Medicaid.  Mr. Tennessee Paul though questioned this bold ideology over at AmericanMissive.com to which I will respond.

Quite ideological. I could agree that these entitlements are a drag on the economy and ideally should eventually be done away with. But you can’t simply cancel these systems. It isn’t feasible. While I am not a fan of these systems, they are in fact obligations that this country has promised. An outright cancel is akin to default on a debt. And while I do subscribe to the notion that the Government is not the savior of mankind, it is the duty of the government to provide the environment for commerce. Besides, if the government were to simply up and dump these three entitlements, it would not solve the current issues within the health care system. The issues being affordability of care and insurance.

- Tennessee Paul

Yes, ideological.  But I think this misses the point.  Medicare/Medicaid is in fact insolvent.  They cannot be paid for quite simply.  I realized I used the word cancel Medicare which applies something dramatic.  But I wouldn’t be the technocrat doing the canceling.  I’m sure it would be canceled in a slower planned and organized way.  However, it may be akin to default on debt as Tennessee Paul suggests.  A ugly word, default, and an ugly thought but not out of the realm of possibility.

The financial structure of the U.S. government currently has two nominal firewalls. The first, between Treasury debt and unfunded liabilities, is provided by the trust funds of Social Security, Medicare, and other, smaller federal insurance programs. These give investors the illusion that the shaky fiscal status of social insurance has no direct effect on the government’s formal debt. But according to the latest intermediate projections of the trustees, the Hospital Insurance (HI-Medicare Part A) trust fund will be out of money in 2017, whereas the Social Security (OASDI) trust funds will be empty by 2037. Although other parts of Medicare are already funded from general revenues, when HI and OASDI need to dip into general revenues, the first firewall is gone. If investors respond by requiring a risk premium on Treasuries, the unwinding could move very fast, much like the sudden collapse of the Soviet Union. Politicians will be unable to react.
-Why Default on U.S. Treasuries is Likely
Jeffrey Rogers Hummel

Further, Tennessee Paul states that Medicare and Medicaid being dumped wouldn’t solve the health care crisis [CORRECTION: TP used the term "current issues" not crisis].  To which I respond, “What health care crisis?” [To which I should have responded, "What are the issues?"] There is no crisis yet the crisis will come when Medicare/Medicaid collapse.  The crisis to me is the impending economic, social and political chaos that will come when the world economy follows the U.S. economy into the abyss while the last bastions of freedom are surround by egoists and tyranny.

The solutions I have read, put forth by many conservative pundits are directed at creating just such an environment to facilitate more economically feasible solutions for health care reform.

- Tennessee Paul

I agree with Tennessee Paul there are many conservative pundits calling for better solutions out there.  The problem is the Republican party isn’t proposing them.  I know Tennessee Paul thinks I’m being to harsh on politicians.  But I think it’s time to be harsh.  It’s getting late in the game politicians feet need to be held to the fire.  It’s up to us the voters to do this.  So even more then the politicians we the American people need to come down on our respective parties and demand change.  The more we dilly-dally around the issues and fail to address those things which are pressing on our society, culture, and lives the greater risk we are in of losing it all.  Perhaps, Paul doesn’t have the same fears I have but I think things are going to get MUCH worse before they get better.

As for Tennessee Paul’s point about doing away with Medicare/Medicaid not being the end all solution I agree.  There needs to be deregulation and a decoupling of employer provided health care in concert with the cancel/phase out/end of Medicare.   These two points I know Tennessee Paul agrees with but a deregulation and a decoupling of employer health care but these are still to me meaningless without true reform of the system.  Medicare still places way to large a constraint on the U.S. health care system.  It is the elephant in the room and it’s growing way to fast.  And it’s not being debated, solutions aren’t being proposed and I still believe there has yet to be proposals from either sides towards true reform.


10 Comments leave one →
  1. mainenowandthen permalink
    August 22, 2009 2:34 pm

    I could not agree more that we need to hold our politicians’ feet to the fire, not just on health care but on a plethora of issues.

    These are supposed representatives that we have elected and invested with the management and safekeeping of our country, but they have proved time and time again to be more interested in their own venal pursuits.

    If they can continue to keep registered Democrats and Republicans at each others throats then their own misdeeds will pass under the radar and they can maintain their privileged status. More and more former party members are becoming “independents”. This could be a good thing, except that there is no party organization for these folks and the “sheeple” and special interest groups together can keep the ball in the two-party system court.

    We need true leaders who can present a moral and ethical center, but they are few and far between, it seems.

    • August 24, 2009 7:21 pm

      Thanks for stopping by. The important word is “we”… we the people. We need to demand true leaders. But we the people have to understand true leadership. I don’t think we do.

  2. August 24, 2009 8:32 pm

    Further, Tennessee Paul states that Medicare and Medicaid being dumped wouldn’t solve the health care crisis. To which I respond, “What health care crisis?”

    Nice little straw man there FT. I checked, I did not use the phrase “health care crisis” in my response. In fact, you quoted what I did actually say: [Canceling Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security] would not solve the current issues within the health care system. The issues being affordability of care and insurance.

    • August 25, 2009 2:05 pm

      Sorry, I’ll go back and edit it. All this “health care crisis” day in and day out makes the mind a little muddled.

    • August 25, 2009 2:10 pm

      What do you see are the current issues of health care?
      Affordability? Government Spending? Government Power? Quality? Outcomes? Control? Human Rights?

      • August 25, 2009 8:08 pm

        FT: I think every complaint leveled against “health care” today is rooted in affordability. Medical Care is top notch. I don’t see complaints that America doesn’t have the means to solve a given medical condition. The complaints all are directed at the cost of treatment, i.e. service. Any issue with insurance is affordability. The Democrats are marching in a massive new order for this industry based entirely on this argument. Their fear-mongering is aimed at “every increasing deductables” and so forth. They say that without their plan, health insurance and medical care will become so expensive no one will be able to afford it. That line of logic is ridiculous obviously. It is a business and those running that business know they will not be in business if they make the minimum charge for everything $1 trillion dollars.

      • August 25, 2009 8:39 pm

        As you point out their argument is self defeating. Also, their solutions have nothing to do with increasing affordability. Even if this is what they call for (their scare tactic).

        Hence, this being a non-debate or in your words “Where is the real debate on health care reform?” So, how do you debate something the other side is not really debating. My opinion is we need to get at the root of the issue why they are putting these straw men out their – power and government control.

  3. August 25, 2009 8:54 pm

    How do you debate something the other side is not really debating?

    Call their bluff. The higher ups are not really debating it, but ultimately they answer to the people. And the people are catching on to the lack of real debate and the asinine name calling on their part. Enough public resentment leads to stalling the process. Get even more knowledge of the true debate out there and eventually a real reform will be designed.

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