Comments on: Medicare – the Elephant in the Room http://thefreedomthinker.com/2009/08/22/medicare-the-elephant-in-the-room/ Thoughts on Freedom... Tue, 07 Feb 2012 09:20:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: TennesseePaul http://thefreedomthinker.com/2009/08/22/medicare-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-592 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:54:54 +0000 http://thefreedomthinker.com/?p=641#comment-592 How do you debate something the other side is not really debating?

Call their bluff. The higher ups are not really debating it, but ultimately they answer to the people. And the people are catching on to the lack of real debate and the asinine name calling on their part. Enough public resentment leads to stalling the process. Get even more knowledge of the true debate out there and eventually a real reform will be designed.

]]> By: Freedom Thinker http://thefreedomthinker.com/2009/08/22/medicare-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-591 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:39:14 +0000 http://thefreedomthinker.com/?p=641#comment-591 As you point out their argument is self defeating. Also, their solutions have nothing to do with increasing affordability. Even if this is what they call for (their scare tactic).

Hence, this being a non-debate or in your words “Where is the real debate on health care reform?” So, how do you debate something the other side is not really debating. My opinion is we need to get at the root of the issue why they are putting these straw men out their – power and government control.

]]> By: TennesseePaul http://thefreedomthinker.com/2009/08/22/medicare-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-590 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:08:20 +0000 http://thefreedomthinker.com/?p=641#comment-590 FT: I think every complaint leveled against “health care” today is rooted in affordability. Medical Care is top notch. I don’t see complaints that America doesn’t have the means to solve a given medical condition. The complaints all are directed at the cost of treatment, i.e. service. Any issue with insurance is affordability. The Democrats are marching in a massive new order for this industry based entirely on this argument. Their fear-mongering is aimed at “every increasing deductables” and so forth. They say that without their plan, health insurance and medical care will become so expensive no one will be able to afford it. That line of logic is ridiculous obviously. It is a business and those running that business know they will not be in business if they make the minimum charge for everything $1 trillion dollars.

]]> By: Freedom Thinker http://thefreedomthinker.com/2009/08/22/medicare-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-588 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:10:05 +0000 http://thefreedomthinker.com/?p=641#comment-588 What do you see are the current issues of health care?
Affordability? Government Spending? Government Power? Quality? Outcomes? Control? Human Rights?

]]> By: Freedom Thinker http://thefreedomthinker.com/2009/08/22/medicare-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-587 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:05:50 +0000 http://thefreedomthinker.com/?p=641#comment-587 Sorry, I’ll go back and edit it. All this “health care crisis” day in and day out makes the mind a little muddled.

]]> By: What Happens When a Jackass Attempts to Address the Elephant In the Room? « American Missive http://thefreedomthinker.com/2009/08/22/medicare-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-585 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:07:16 +0000 http://thefreedomthinker.com/?p=641#comment-585 [...] Thinker to a missive I had written. His got me thinking. In Freedom Thinker’s post “Medicare – The Elephant In the Room” he directs the debate towards the over all existence of entitlement programs and [...]

]]> By: TennesseePaul http://thefreedomthinker.com/2009/08/22/medicare-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-584 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:32:29 +0000 http://thefreedomthinker.com/?p=641#comment-584 Further, Tennessee Paul states that Medicare and Medicaid being dumped wouldn’t solve the health care crisis. To which I respond, “What health care crisis?”

Nice little straw man there FT. I checked, I did not use the phrase “health care crisis” in my response. In fact, you quoted what I did actually say: [Canceling Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security] would not solve the current issues within the health care system. The issues being affordability of care and insurance.

]]> By: Freedom Thinker http://thefreedomthinker.com/2009/08/22/medicare-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-583 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:21:43 +0000 http://thefreedomthinker.com/?p=641#comment-583 Thanks for stopping by. The important word is “we”… we the people. We need to demand true leaders. But we the people have to understand true leadership. I don’t think we do.

]]> By: Medicare – the Elephant in the Room « acc3ss.info http://thefreedomthinker.com/2009/08/22/medicare-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-582 Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:50:26 +0000 http://thefreedomthinker.com/?p=641#comment-582 [...] Read the original: Medicare – the Elephant in the Room [...]

]]> By: mainenowandthen http://thefreedomthinker.com/2009/08/22/medicare-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-581 Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:34:50 +0000 http://thefreedomthinker.com/?p=641#comment-581 I could not agree more that we need to hold our politicians’ feet to the fire, not just on health care but on a plethora of issues.

These are supposed representatives that we have elected and invested with the management and safekeeping of our country, but they have proved time and time again to be more interested in their own venal pursuits.

If they can continue to keep registered Democrats and Republicans at each others throats then their own misdeeds will pass under the radar and they can maintain their privileged status. More and more former party members are becoming “independents”. This could be a good thing, except that there is no party organization for these folks and the “sheeple” and special interest groups together can keep the ball in the two-party system court.

We need true leaders who can present a moral and ethical center, but they are few and far between, it seems.

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