Comments on: The Individual versus Society

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By: The Freedom Thinker

The Freedom Thinker — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:11:40 +0000

Is this a joke? You see selfishness in individuals taking care of themselves and altruism in the government stealing? You’ve got to be joking?

Why is “man” so good that we can “cling” to him for “support”? You can’t be that naive…

Do you really rely on the government for “food, clothing, and electricity”? If you do that is quite sad. Get off of food stamps and subsidies would be my advice to you and stop wasting time at the library using their free computer and go get a job. If your just speaking/writing off the cuff then you are very naive if you truly think the “government” has anything to do with supplying the above listed items!

Back to the selfish issue. You sir are the selfish person who’s selfishness is both astonishing and alarming to try and attempt an argument at rights when saying that we should depend on others like the government for things such as food and clothing. The government only gives food through subsidies and food stamps and these are only supplied by stealing from others. The very basis of the concept you’re advocating is thievery. Stealing is the most selfish act because it takes from somebody else of which they earned by their own right! Yet, you claim because the government steals and I don’t let them steal happily and advocate individual liberties I am selfish. Do you realize the ignorance and arrogance in this argument? It’s like saying earning a paycheck is bad while robbing a bank is altruistic. That is what is astonishing and alarming here.

Now if you want to come on and debate moral relevance or some type of proletariat morality where stealing is good as long as the ends justify the means then that is a different issue. But to say to me just out and out that stealing is good and individual rights are bad. Ha! You must be joking! I advise you to read some Locke and Hobbes before giving all your support to Marx and Nietzsche. If not you’ll end up with millions dead but perhaps that is altruistic too as long as the ends justify the means!?!?!?

By: Charlie Neibel

Charlie Neibel — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:17:03 +0000

I totally disagree. I see selfishness and elitism in the idea that you are presenting. There are definitely times when the whole must come before the individual. I think the Carlin quote is totally innapropiate, as is the example of Japanese internment. Absolute rights require a total revamping of government, which would turn into anarchism. In modern society, liberty must be constrained or we are required to protect ourselves from the outside world. Food, clothing, and electricity rely on the government; without it we are lost. Your selfishness in astonishing and alarming. The rich would die slower than the poor, but still generations would become smaller, and the world would become a different place, a much worse place. Western individualism will tear our society apart unless we cling to each other with support.

By: Freedom Thinker

Freedom Thinker — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:21:27 +0000

It is indeed an ongoing fight. I worries me that fewer and fewer people know what the fight is for at the differing levels of world view or ideology. How the individual is being weakened for the benefit of the group. Your right on mainnowandthen!

By: mainenowandthen

mainenowandthen — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:09:50 +0000

The key to a “social contract” is agreement (or at least temporary collusion) on the part of each individual in becoming a part of the proscribed group. This is the basis for the varying forms of democracy to be found around the world.

Marxism, socialism, “progressives” – whatever the hell they choose to identify themselves as these days – are simply a titular mask utilized to hide the tyrannical exercise of power over a captive populance that is the antithesis of a free society.

We are endowed with “rights” only if we choose to exercise (and defend) them and this is a never-ending struggle against those who would promote their own personal objectives and gain over the “public good”.

The deterioration of America under a succession of statist administrations is a perfect example of what can happen when citizens allow the expansion of greed and corruption in the name of governance.